Post-Suicide 12-step Comments – Alcoholics Anonymous
Suicides and suicide attempts are an all-too-frequent occurance in the 12-step groups. What do members of Alcoholics Anonymous have to say about this truth? www.blamedenial.co.uk http www.orange-papers.org
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@rygyboy11 Thanks for stopping by. We really would like to hear back from you at your two year point just for comparison. Mike BD
I did watch the “Who Is This Channel For?” video, and I won’t contribute further on your entries. I only commented because you invited comments from existing AA members. It is not clear on any (except the above named) entry who your posts are directed at. I appreciate and respect your getting back to my posts and I hold no hard feelings toward you.
Kind Regards
Alan
@rygyboy11 Opinion noted. Perhaps you might watch our video “Who Is This Channel For?”, and then reconsider your participation here. Mike BD
@blamethenile In my opinion, you could do a lot worse than to have nothing more to do with destroying what AA tries to offer. I have been asked for nothing in return for the very happy and full life I live today. I personally try to be positive about my day and see what I can do productively (as per my first post). If you have genuine EXPERIENCE with high levels of suicides within the groups you were attending, I am sorry to hear that. If you are being simply destructive you COULD not do that.
@rygyboy11 You seem disposed to read too far into things. Generally, my comments here can be read at face value. My opinion of AA was vastly different after two years in the rewmz than it was after the first nine months, hence my comment. Mike BD
@blamethenile, if you were genuinely glad it was going well for me, I doubt very much that you would then go on to imply that it is all going to change in 2 years. It comes across as being passively sinister of you. Of course you may well go on to say that you genuinely would like to hear from another success story from AA, but going by your very destructive entry here, I doubt that very much. To reply like that to some1 who has had a life saving experiance, quite frankly, is astonishing.
@rygyboy11 Glad it is going well for you. Check back in with us at about two years and give us an update. Mike BD
I have been a member of AA for just over 9 months. I had 2 previous suicide attempts, the latter as a direct result of my unmanageable life, due to my absolute inability to leave alcohol alone. I lost everything due to my drinking. I have since been to hundreds of meetings and learned a design for living which allows me to live without the need for alcohol. I have came across 1 person who has taken his own life and at least 100 people, including myself, whose lives were saved by the 12 steps.
@sumibj AA meetings were usually the most depressing part of my day. Glad you are doing well with it all. Thanks for posting. Mike BD
I’ve tryed suicide 3x in “recovery” 21 yrs sober in A.A. I thought if I did the steps, harder, service. sponsored and just worked the program better I wouldn’t feel this way. I did’nt know that I had been suffering from a true problem all my life, depression, runs in my family. my life is better because of the med i take, not the steps i’ve worked and NO I did not call my sponsor to get her input. I’ve put down the book and put steps away. I think I’m done.
While AA members are busy “working the steps” to supposedly fix their wrongdoings, ppl outside of AA are doing that on a minute to minute basis. Working the steps can sometimes take the aa member years and even then their so called amends are often never made under the loopholes provided (when it harms self or others). But I guess that is the way it goes in a masonic created cult. Fake it until you make it.
@Snabelfaen Once a month? All kidding aside, that is excellent. Do a search of “harm reduction” and see if it fits. Thanks for posting. Mike BD
@blamethenile He don’t have to say anything, because i know that it’s bad for me. But if i asked, he would have said that you don’t become happy while using drugs, that i probably will go into a drepression and so forth and he is correct about that. I don’t think that he will teathen me with death, but my first sponsor did, but he was a morron and he failed anyway, but he came back. Before i used every day, but now i only use once a month, so i works for me i some regards.
@Snabelfaen I’m curious…what does your sponsor tell you regarding your continued use of drugs? Mike
Any group that has an controlling leader is a cult. Your workplace can also be a cult, if you talk to the right people. There are some unfortunale peoples that gets wictim to a bad sponsor, and that sukes. So if somebothy get harrased they better swich sponsor, not quitting. In AA and NA there is some bad people that destroys other peoples, but they are minority while the rest is good people. Now i have been in NA for 12 years, in i havent toped using drugs, but i learned to live with the prob.
Again, during my many years in AA, I found suicides and suicide attempts to be an all-too-common occurance by members therein. It would seem that those suicides and attempts trouble me much more than they trouble you. Mike
@blamethenile this is your statement: Suicides and suicide attempts are an all-too-common occurance in the 12-step groups. What do members of Alcoholics Anonymous have to say about this fact?
so if i understand correctly, you want me to provide proof to you that i think people without support are more likely to want to hurt themselves? don’t you find that kind of funny? where is your proof on the above statement?
i don’t know how to respond to your strange questions
@amberly4u1:
The truth does hurt. The truth is simply claiming “A.A. has kept a gun out millions of members mouths…” does not make true and neither does stating that “surrender” leads to a happy life. Anecdotes, as powerful and memorable as they are, do NOT replace scientific methodology, research and testing. The bigger question is how can we treat the MOST number of people in the BEST possible way. AA and it’s methods simply revolve around themselves (“it works if you work it”).
@KristinFtnHills What questions? Have any proof for this latest assertion about suicide rates? Mike
@KristinFtnHills Is black-and-white thinking becoming an AA condemnation similar to anger, resentment, and closed-mindedness? Mike
if the ‘self-evident’ point of the video is that aa members are assholes, i can attest that some are. most aren’t. and meetings provide a safe way to share and get support during difficult times and stay strong during the not so difficult moments. maybe your world is black and white … if so, i’m sorry to hear that. my world is not.
mike, way to evade the questions. sorry you are bitter at aa …. i would be willing to bet a dime to a dozen hole in the donuts that suicide is much higher in people that don’t have the support of fellow alcoholics.
mike, way to evade the questions. sorry you are bitter at aa …. i would be willing to bet a dime to a dozen hole in the donuts that suicide is much higher in people that don’t have the support of fellow alcoholics.
While I may only be 20 days sober, I believe I have discovered the secret to what I needed to find in order to stop drinking and stay sober. For me it is completely phsychological and my addiction to alcohol was and is all in the head. I realized after I quit that I never did have a chemical dependancy on it, but rather a severe mental addiction to drinking. I have now figured out how to change my thinking to the point where I find no use or purpose for the act of drinking. I am done with it.